Message For 9/11 and 7/7 Conspiracy theorists

that´s A PITY.I guess your site here aint as unspun as it would like to project.
This site is a bit like Noam Chomsky,,,red herring with gold fins.

We just think you're just repeating the same old stuff over and over. We're bored of it so it's going.

That's a bit unfair. Now Tony Blair is going to have a complete monopoly on unbelievable fiction on these boards.

quarsan. You do realise your position of rejecting information (9/11, 7/7, holocaust, Zionism or Israel’s crimes against humanity etc) just because some 'Nazi' or 'conspiracy theorist' quoted it isn't logical. Your unwillingness to debate the facts, critically assess and move to correct your own fallibilities, isn't one of your strong points.

OK, this forum is best served for a bitchslap against Blair (and G-d knows he deserves it) but you can't be surprised if what you say or branch off into is challenged, you shouldn't really complain.

Anyway, much respect to you and the others for providing this public forum.

A link to a video that raises some very interesting questions (speakers on). http://www.madcowprod.com/newvideo/index.html

I've noticed a couple of links regarding 7/7 to a David Shayler video and I doubt he's a nazi. I've seen links to 9/11 videos on google video before but nothing on Nazi sites. Weird.

I've noticed a couple of links regarding 7/7 to a David Shayler video and I doubt he's a nazi. I've seen links to 9/11 videos on google video before but nothing on Nazi sites. Weird.

As Noam advises - ...don't be distracted by conspiracy theories - http://blog.zmag.org/node/2779

Uhh... right.

For what it's worth, I recognise the sources you're referring to, Quarsan. There are some remarkably bizarre, hysterical, and plain wacky ideas circulating about what did or didn't happen.

That said, simply dismissing the idea of government foul play out of hand is frankly, naive. The events surrounding 9/11 itself stink to high heaven, whether you believe in government complicity, or simply recognise that many in power stood to gain, and that the number of 'coincidences' surrounding this event reaches Pratchett-esque proportions.

Finally - automatically associating doubt concerning these events with neo-nazis and psychos is insulting to me, and millions of others.

Please Quarsan - don't damage Blairwatch's credibility by taking sides in this question - one way or the other.

Cheers

Andy

Hurray! The voice of reason! Blairwatch might be seen as a "fringe" blog because it's so unrelentingly against TB (which I agree with), but it mustn't be so "fringe" that it sides with any old rubbish that's levelled against Blair, however much he deserves it.

For all of the conspiracy bods out there, you seem to overlook the fact that incompetence is a far more likely reason for events than overreaching conspiracies. Despite all the rumours floating around, there's no more evidence of a conspiracy than there is for the "fake moon landings", the "Roswell UFO", the "Diana assassination" and any others. So just shut up or present some real evidence to support your fantasies instead of innuendo and conjecture.

The chemical evidence of thermate in the WTC steel would beg to differ with you hinschelwood

I always love the complacent, vacant dismissal of elite behaviour as incompetent, if they are are so incompetent, why are they in charge?

As i have said elsewhere, nothing has happened within and without these events, before or since, nothing in engineering, nothing in 'terrorist activity', nothing in administrative incuriourisity. Therefore to harbour some skepticism about them is perfectly reasonable.

Its down to which conspiracy you prefer, the fanatics driven by pure hatred (they do not seem to have any other motive, no demands, no claims of reponsibility) or the fanatics that actually have power and motivation to extend that power.

The complacency thing is a great and often used excuse, as is 'they flew under our radar' and 'we didn't have the sufficent amount of resources'. All rubbish of course, designed not to have the bif fish accountable. Ask anybody with a reasonable position working in an important department of govt. or industry about contingency plans. What they are, what they are, what cases they cover and what they are supposed to negate.

I think most conspiracy theories are promulgated by secret government agencies just obfuscate and cause confusion!

I always find it worrying that people such as yourself (paul) have such a lack of trust and faith in others. Anything which you perceive as an inconsistency or which you can't explain - which is taken to mean there can be no explanation - is used as evidence of mass murder.

You wonder why I can accept that incompetent people are in charge. Simple. They're not incompetent all the time. I was reading yesterday about a child who died of dehydration through neglect by its mother. The social services knew that this baby was in danger but didn't prevent its death. Incompetence. But it happens, and we all know that some things slip through the net. There was no plan by the social services for the death of the poor child though.

The rest of your argument seems to be "This never happened before, therefore it can't have happened," which means that it's not worth addressing.

Well I both thank you for your concern and envy your faith and trust in our leaders, but please don't misunderstand me, its the many curiosities and inconsistencies surrounding these events that make me wonder.

As no one concerned with these events has been disciplined in any way, I would like to see your proof of incompetence, not your vacuous assertion of same.

I also saw something in the news the other day,
where an investigation into bae wrongdoing was swept under the carpet,
another day I read about an ambassador to uzbekistan being hounded out of his job for objecting to torture,
another day I didn't see an explosives plot widely and breathlessly reported,
while a few days earlier a non existent plot to blow up airplanes on 'an unimaginable scale' was plastered over every screen and front page in the land for weeks,
Another day I read about how a very devout drug dealer was let out of prison to be photgraphed dressed up as a suicide bomber at a protest against danish cartoons,
I also remember a well orchestrated and totally mendacious campaign of propoganda that led our country to invade another quite recently.

Unsurprisingly, I find most people good and trustworthy in normal life, which is why I find these examples of elite depravity so upsetting. Maybe I'm funny that way.

The rest of your argument seems to be "This never happened before, therefore it can't have happened," which means that it's not worth addressing.

Well as I am saying these events could stand a little more investigation, you don't seem to understand much. I certainly do not doubt the events, just the explanation.

If something occurs we should be intrigued and enlightened, not fobbed off with a 'narrative' or a risible conspiracy theory about arabs in caves.

http://www.911blogger.com/node/5115

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PARIS: French anti-terrorist police have freed eight Frenchmen accused by Egyptian authorities of plotting attacks in the Middle East and expelled from Egypt, judicial officials said Sunday.

No details about the suspects or the accusations against them were released.

From the neo nazi international herald tribune

Anyway Pauls post highlights perfectly the consistent reason why it is less rational to be trusting of this 'Government' than it is to believe they are a bunch of murderers who constantly feed us a pack of lies.

Howard Zinn said {in quoting someone} "If you remember only two words, remember these. Governments lie!"
See the superb Howard Zinn give a speech Democracy has.
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/12/18/1326231

Sadly for the trusting amongst you, it contains another catalogue of lies, this time concerning on US lies on major events over the last 150yrs or so.

I'd like to end this post by saying, 9-11 was such a monumental event which affects all of our lives in some way or other. The fact that some (like me) believe it was an act of Govt manipulation is equally monumental in its significance and that we believe is 'the evidence', does actually prove it. I can appreciate that there will be some who can't or won't accept it. But when you believe you can 'see' the greatest conspiracy crimes in recent history, it should not be surprising that people that constantly draw upon it and give other corroborating incidents too.

Just imagine of these crooks and crims weren’t in power. Let me ask; are you picturing something beautiful?

Good for letting us know of those French Gladiators in Egypt Paul. But I'm surprised that the Egyptian govt didn't allow them to kill a few people first. Perhaps the Egyptian internal security service was jealous?

Nice little job your doing with cencorship? I see you made sure you linked the talk of government involvments into the 9/11 7/11 crimes as neo-nazis?

Really sad day for me here at BW because i honestly thought i had found a blog with guts/honesty/open mind towards government corruption, and especially crimes.

I guess there is only 2 reasons for your stance..The first being you are a paid shill, or secondly you lack and real vision on world political affairs and the crimes governments will commit to gain advantage around the world.

I guess operation northwoods is a lie to you? Regardless the fact it envisions murdering Americans to blame another Country? http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/Northwoods.html

You are following a certaion political line of correctness like the BBC i see?

Sorry for my bad typos, long night.

more accurate to say BW is leaving those debates to specialised sites than that they are necessarily gatekeepers.

Nice little job your doing with cencorship? I see you made sure you linked the talk of government involvments into the 9/11 7/11 crimes as neo-nazis?

Really sad day for me here at BW because i honestly thought i had found a blog with guts/honesty/open mind towards government corruption, and especially crimes.

I guess there is only 2 reasons for your stance..The first being you are a paid shill, or secondly you lack and real vision on world political affairs and the crimes governments will commit to gain advantage around the world.

I guess operation northwoods is a lie to you? Regardless the fact it envisions murdering Americans to blame another Country? http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/Northwoods.html

You are following a certaion political line of correctness like the BBC i see?

spot on Phil!!I wonder who funds this little project?

There are fundamental unanswered questions re 911 inconsistencies.

Are Governments sometimes complicit in acts of Terror to blame a certain group. History has shown us that Governments are.

Operation Northwood above.

The Lavon Affair.

The Riechstag Fire.

And future history will show that at best the US Government let 911 happen.

Anon,even if correct, you're being boring.

People take time to change their minds, and blattering away at them is a waste of your time. A far better tactic, concerning recent threads here, would be to politely ask if they have looked at the BBC2 Gladio series referenced here by tonysakiller and repeated by me.

I strongly recommend them to BW as an eye-opener. That they were on a 911 etcetc site is beside the point. They were made by the Beeb, and there is documented support from the Italian parliament et al.

Blairwatchers know from their everyday experience that the MSM blacks out unwelcome truths, and I know that these are often to be found on neo-nazi & other 'conspiraloonic' sites, so a public service provided ! Reader beware, is all.

BW provides a useful critical eye on Blair and this gov, networking with others such as guido chickyog lord patel lenin to fill in MSM gaps of news and analysis. To accuse them, as someone did above , of being funded gatekeepers is stoopid.

We can each use the raw material to draw our own conclusions.

It will be interesting to see how such a ban plays out where you will eliminate the possibility of such criminality from anyone other than fanatical Muslims. I wonder what will happen if, in the future, a large outrage is blamed on Iran, with little or no credible evidence.

I suppose we just bend over and accept it. Having said that I like this site but you risk ridicule by rejecting rational posts. I can understand the frustration if people have been talking about beams from space and blue screen technology, but if people are pointing to the work of people like Steven Jones, David Ray Griffin or the 911 Mysteries video or the Painful Deceptions video then it should be allowed and anybody who wants to shoot down the analyses citing specifics are surely free to do so if they can.

There are now far too many people in America particularly who reject the official story to hope it will all go away, I humbly submit.

Esteemed Professor and Law Expert Warns Of Police State
Francis A Boyle says 9/11 was allowed to happen, war on terror is facilitating the downfall of The Republic, concentration camps are in place and US citizens are the targets

Tuesday, December 19, 2006

Alex Jones was joined on air this week by a leading American professor, practitioner of and expert on international law to discuss his detailed knowledge of the cover up of the 2001 anthrax attacks, which he is adamant were perpetrated by criminal elements of the US government in an attempt to foment a police state by killing off opposition to hardline post 9/11 legislation.

Dr Franics A. Boyle literally helped write the law with regards to terrorism, as he was responsible for drafting the Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989 that was passed unanimously by both Houses of Congress and signed into law by President Bush Snr.

Professor Boyle teaches international law at the University of Illinois, Champaign. He holds a Doctor of Law Magna Cum Laude as well as a Ph.D. in Political Science, both from Harvard University. He has also served on the Board of Directors of Amnesty International (1988-1992), and represented Bosnia- Herzegovina at the World Court.

Your forum isn't worth a crock of s*+t if you censor comments - Just another part of the mainstream media mind-control machine.

Truth-seekers beware!