Tony Gets Fingered

It's mentioned in the take-up chart on page 12 of the Home Office document, Identity Cards, Benefits Overview. I think this was a 2005 document, and I don't recall the idea being mentioned anywhere else. I get brownie points for having noticed at the time:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/10/31/burnham_on_bio_passport_archive/

Futher reading on the subject from John Lettice...

I would focus on what's in th bill and the explanatory memoranda rather than listening to what the BLiar says. After all, he'll say just about anything on the spur of the moment. To be pitied, in a way.

I have a note in my dairy for Monday, March the 5th. It reads " ID Cards webchat 16:00 , www.webchat.pm.gov.uk/webchat_live.asp?webchatID=34"

I have the afternoon off. I look forward to seeing you there.

"It was Joan Ryan, of course. Hazel Blears lite, with all the arrogance and petulance of the real thing, but half the IQ."

Hey that's a bit strong. It must put Ms. Ryan almost in the minus column and in answer to Mr Heald yesterday she gave this interesting response .. Hansard - http://tinyurl.com/3x8cyg

"In principle the UK is keen to share information with EU partners that will add to our ability to protect the public, where the request is in the interest of prevention and detection of crime and taking account of the justification and proportionality of disclosure in accordance with human rights legislation. The Government are supportive of a current initiative by the German presidency of the EU to transpose parts of the Prum Convention into EU law, which includes provisions on improving the sharing of DNA data."

The reality is that at present they have been happy to both supply data and also to run crime scene samples for comparison through the UK DNA database.
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The Treaty of Prüm: Aims and Contents - is worth studying - start here - http://tinyurl.com/3694lt

Signed by Belgium, Germany, Spain, France, Luxembourg, Netherlands and Austria 27th May 2005 - on the stepping up of cross border cooperation,particularly in combating terrorism, cross border crime and illegal migration

"The aim of the Treaty is to help the signatories improve information-sharing for the purpose of preventing and combating crime in three fields, all of which are covered by provisions of EU Treaty: terrorism, cross-border crime and illegal migration.

However, Prüm breaks new grounds in cooperation in the area of internal security as it provides the signatories with certain rights of access to DNA only in repressive context (prosecution of crime), fingerprint data, personal and non-personal data, as well as vehicle registration data in both preventive and repressive context."

Apparently a numerologist she is fascinated by soixante neuf - the exact number of passport application offices breaking out like springtime crocuses everywhere.

I checked the T and C on the petition site. Nowhere did I see an opt in allowing the PM to email me with his "response". So he is misusing my personal data for the purpose of spamming, and as such will have been reported to the anti-spam systems. My cloudmark s also blocking No 10.

Damn! I signed that petition and unless I missed it in the junk folder and it got auto-deleted, he didn't send me an e-mail! Perhaps my hotmail account posseses artificial intelligence and knows what I would think of his response.

Beach hut man is worried that his e-mail has been taken by the State in the person of our Dear leader to harass him/her - they now have the e-mail of 1.3 Mn dissenters from which it is a trivial task by GUbment services to identify location / adres, occupiers , cars registered at this address, their details - as the cynic who pointed this out Iam astonished how soon they have taken the opportunity to utilise this informaton.

Albeit, in this instance in a benign fashion.

I am glad I didn't participate.

I signed the petition. I got the e-mail.

The impression I got is that they seem to think we just didn't get their message and all they have to do is explain it a bit better. How wrong could they possibly be. Their problem isn't that we didn't get the message: it's that we did get it, and didn't like what we heard.

Wonder how many of us will have to starve to death in jail before THEY get OUR message?

He ignored the Iraq Anti-war message so satellite tracking is a mere foible, along with biometrics, id cards dna database, fingerprinting, socpa, atcs and other control freakery.....

Anyway, its all in our best interest!

CSHM.
I loved that reply becasue I feel it is EXACTLY how NeoLabour operate. Anything can be sold if its explained (cum-spum} enough. Unlistening arrogant killers.
- TA

CSHM: In Michael Cockerell's programme about Blair last night ['Blair: The Inside Story', BBC2] Blair explains that's exactly how it is. Cockerell asks TB, in the early days, why he needs such a powerful and high-profile press office. Blair says something like: "Look, y'know, we have 24-hour news. They're always reporting some story, and we have to be able to say 'no, it's not like that, it's like this'." Alistair Campbell looks on approvingly.

Prescott came out of it looking the most sensible of all of them. And I never thought I'd hear myself saying that. Next week: 'Blairs Wars'; the most war-prone PM since 1945.

"no one want obstacles in the way of the police investigating crime"

That's a bit off-message isn't it? Not sure TB would agree...

"Prescott came out of it looking the most sensible of all of them. And I never thought I'd hear myself saying that."

Likewise. I quite warmed to him, and he's even coherent when he's not on the rack (defending another of his master's idiot schemes).

Now, this is a new development - the Police aren't down as having the ability to do non-specific trawls of biometric information in the hope of finding a match and this opens up the prospect of having the boys in blue knock on your door because your fingerprints happen to be at the scene of a crime ten years or more previously

It actually much worse than that. The entire idea is fundamentally flawed simply because of statistics. Given that only one person in the entire population of 60+million actually left the crime scene print, you would need a fingerprint system with an astoundingly good specificity to get anywhere near a useful result. If you generate false-positives at the rate of, say, 1 in a million (a completely unfeasable specificity of 99.9999%) you'd expect to get over 60 matches for any given target, of which all but one are false. With a much more realistic specificity of 99.9% (still probably better than currently achieveable), you'd get at least 60,000 matches. Very useful, I'm sure... Now multiply that by the number of prints at the crime scene, and factor in the fact that the prints taken for biometric use are not physically suitable for crime scene investigation...

The moral of this tale is: when searching for a needle in a haystack, it does not help to make the haystack bigger.

If anyone gets two emails from Tony can he be charged with harrasment?

There is an opt-out at the bottom of the e-mail.

I agree, there is an opt out at the bottom of the email, but no OPT IN on the petition site, so he is misusing data.
AS for street addresses, only pukka ISPs bother with addresses. Hotmail wil accept 4a the cave, , Bedrock.

"when searching for a needle in a haystack, it does not help to make the haystack bigger."

That's v.good - I hope you don't mind if I use it. Of course, one wouldn't expect Tone to know any maths or statistical theory, although they really ought to be a prequisite for a politician. Come to think of it, does he know anything, apart from a few guitar chords?