Dear Craig Murray, Tim Ireland and Bob Piper

Particularly liked this off the Schillings website:

Schillings to Chair PRGlobal: International Reputation Management Summit

Schillings will Chair PR Week's conference on 18 September this year.

The PRGlobal: International Reputation Management Summit will bring together international, high-level speakers that will address the best ways to control your exposure to the world stage.

http://www.schillings.co.uk/Display.aspx?MasterId=49129928-1813-42ee-8870-2c9999c3e236&NavigationId=246

The article complained of by Schillings on behalf of their client was published in 2005 and it was copied the next day - and is still available here.

http://postmanpatel.blogspot.com/2005/10/sanjar-umarov-craig-murrays-recent.html

See this e-mail from CM -

It is an imporatnt point that the posting to which Schillings referred in
getting our websites taken down was the one cited here, which dates back to
2005.
http://arsenalfootballnews.blogspot.com/2007/09/craig-murrays-article-one-censored-by.html

I don't know how arsenalfootballnews found that out, but they are quite
right.  I think this is important because that article deals with issues
much wider and more important than Usmanov, and raises important questions
about removing serious investigative journalism from the net.

It would be very helpful if this article could be more widely available, as
plainly there is something Mr Usmanov particularly does not wish to be
known.

The further and more recent article of course repeats much contained in this article

I just changed Usmanov's wikipedia article so the first line points out he's a convicted criminal.

That's not necessarily entirely childish :-

1. If his thugs go after wikipedia, it WILL cause a stink, all over the press/broadcast media.

2. Wikipedia is hosted in the States, and will likely be immune to his thugs anyway. Once he
realises that the genie's out of the bottle, he'll hopefully give up.

3. Like most people, his wikipedia is one of the top 3 google results for him. It's appropriate that
it points out what he is.

Dear Craig, Tim and Bob

We would like to invite you to blog on Blairwatch until your problems are resolved.

All the best,

Blairwatch

Err, why would they need, or indeed want, to do that?

However I do appreciate your attempts to get some decent contributers onto the site. I can honestly say that this is the lamest 'political' blog out there, even excluding the lack of content  - what was the last dry spell, 10 days without a single contribution?

 
Many things that  are put up on Blairwatch have actually been previously discussed within the readers comments weeks or months previously, it's only when they make the mainstream media that  BW chimes in. It seems to be an attempt to appear topical or indeed influence opinion. You don't even bother responding to comments, except when they mention 911 or Zionism (and only then to flame them as 'conspiracy theorists' or 'anti-semetics')

Take for example the reporting on Blackwater, I myself posted months ago on the criminal nature of these mercenaries, who have been deliberately engineering, in collusion with the British SAS, the civil strife in Iraq as part of the policy of the US/UK government. You never follow-up such things or use the information to do  research and come up with something informative. Instead you just parrot back what you happened to have read in the Sunday newspapers or gleaned from R4.

  
So please stop sounding desperate and buck up your own ideas if you want contributers with real convictions. What will happen when they mention 911, or point out the domination of the Fundamental Christian Zionists and Jewish Zionist in the political, legal, financial and media world in the West, or indeed anything else that falls outside of your cosy middle-class world view? Will they still be welcome?

 
From the way you have previously responded to posters comments that haven't met with your agreement (i.e being generally insulting and just plain rude) I think Craig and friends are better off staying away from here.

p.s. It did cross my mind just how arrogant, patronising and condescending that statement was but I have said enough.

Wikipedia and Google are run by the CIA, to spread disinfo and collect private info. If you did not know that then check it out for yourself.

Quoth brave and doughty 'Anonymous' - "I can honestly say that this is the lamest 'political' blog out there, even excluding the lack of content  - what was the last dry spell, 10 days without a single contribution?"

Which begs the question - er, so why are you hanging out here, matey? If this litle ol' place on the web cannot possibly rise to the sheer pant-wetting magnificence of your own good self, why y'all bothering to post here?

Ah, mebbe its because your hobbyhorse abuse (christian zionists/jewish zionists/magic roundabout zionists) isnt being taken seriously enough. Well, clearly that shows just what bunch of Radio4 fanboys we are here.

Now, it occurs to me that what I`ve just written might be considered rude and insulting. Well, that`s because its meant to be.

adios,

the Cap'n

Bob Piper is back on-line.

Which begs the question - er, so why are you hanging out here, matey?

No one said I couldn't. Two weeks without a single new thread is lame. The last post before the blackout had 60 comments which suggests that people were still keen to contribute on the big stories that were going on but no one at BW did anything for 14 days - that's lame.
 

why y'all bothering to post here?

No one said I couldn't.
 

Ah, mebbe its because your hobbyhorse abuse (christian zionists/jewish zionists/magic roundabout zionists)

'Abuse'? get a grip man. 'Hobbyhorse'?, oh, I see we're going on down that path again. Well, I will try an expand in the hope you may see something other  than 'magic roundabout zionists'.
 

The AIPAC dominated neo-cons, the architects on the PNAC agenda, who dominate US government foreign policy and US politics in general, that marshals the entire media complex behind said foreign policy are Zionists. They are on record - It is a provable, simple, empirical fact.

 
The US government will support Israel at any cost, ignore its crimes and inhumanities and even fight her wars as it gives the US cover for their presence in, and domination of, the oil-rich Middle East.
 

The only way these people can do that and sell it to the US tax payers and global public is by laying claim to protecting (the perceived victim-state) Israel.
 

Israeli politics  is dominated with a desire for expansion. The linking of the Jewish and Christian faiths (only recently by Christian TV evangelicals) to the objectives of Israel is how the US get away with their imperialist ambitions in the region, and incorporates Zionist values into the general population.
 

The Israel that the media portrays is a myth, e.g. the only democracy in the Middle east, the Iranians want to wipe them of the map, the Arabs will push them into the sea etc. etc., Its all bogus hogwash.
 

When one looks at the historical facts it is Israel that has been the aggressor in the region, beginning with the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians,  which continues to this day, and last years disgusting attack on Lebanon. Oh! and Syria got bombed last week.
 

It is a nonsense to suggest that Israel is in any way threatened as it has 200+ nuclear war-heads, chemical and biological weapons and billions of US$ military aid - now that's what I call WMD.
 

Israel and US has a symbiotic relationship, they are Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum in the region, the US wants the oil and Israel wants more land, more resources, in fact more of everything that their neighbors have.The phoney (and manufactured) war on terror is another ploy to take peoples eyes of the real agenda and generate hatred against the Middle East nations,
 

Iraq is a lesson they are teaching to Iran, Syria and Lebanon and if they don't learn that lesson they'll be next. Just call your enemies supporters of terror or claim they are acquiring WMD and you have a reason to massacre millions of them and no one bats an eyelid.

 
Now, it occurs to me that what I`ve just written might be considered rude and insulting. Well, that`s because its meant to be.

Well, you're obviously a cunt then aren't you?

 
adios, the Cap'n

Ah! you see, I was right - indeed you are a cunt. Adiós usted saco de mierda.

I mostly agree with anonymous (not the language *blush*). reacting to him/her in such a way is exactly what he/she was criticizing in their first post. and what about the other points they made, not worth mentioning? keep posting anon.

"You don't even bother responding to comments, except when they mention 911 or Zionism (and only then to flame them... " - Anonymous

"Ah, mebbe its because your hobbyhorse abuse (christian zionists/jewish zionists/magic roundabout zionists) isnt being taken seriously enough" - Captain Swing

DOH! LMFAO.

It really gets a lot funnier doesn't it.

well done Captain swing for being clear on all salient points, comments :

"No one said I couldn't. Two weeks without a single new thread is lame. The last post before the blackout had 60 comments which suggests that people were still keen to contribute on the big stories that were going on but no one at BW did anything for 14 days - that's lame."

That's not an answer to why the hell are you bothering being here?

and :

why y'all bothering to post here?

No one said I couldn't.

is a laughably infantile response, the kind I used to hear at primary school.

I'm not going to bother going through the Jews/ Zionist expansion/ Government collusion crap because it is crap. A single point that is universally not accepted by the racists that post this crap is that the most influential entity to the US is in fact the Saudi Kingdom who has invested a conservative figure of about $700 billion in US/Europe. This then making them significantly important when it comes to foreign policy than Israel given that the US and Europe would collapse in on themselves if the Saudis pulled their money when it is needed the most.

Now, it occurs to me that what I`ve just written might be considered rude and insulting. Well, that`s because its meant to be.

Well, you're obviously a cunt then aren't you?

Guess what, I'm in the cunt gang too because I also don't care if you are offended by people holding a mirror up to stupidity.

Of course you could do us all a favour and sod off to a site where there are other delusional people. Too much to ask I know so I'll look forward to laughing my backside off at another infantile set of responses.

Daring to criticise the influence that Israel wields on US Middle East policy is a risky business.

runs for cover behind sofa...

Funny how you (krippers2) had to bring Jews into the argument when no one has even mentioned them apart from a passing reference to the Jewish religion being hijacked by Zionists.
 

Many Zionists who support the unfettered control of Israel in the region are not Jews, which incidentally, was the main thrust of my points.
 

This is exactly the problem with trying to have a debate about the influence of the Zionist movement over US foreign policy, which as I stated, the US uses for its own nefarious ends and to the detriment of Israel itself.
 

In my previous post I went at length to describe the political elements of Zionism within the US and the problems it causes for a large part of the planet's population. I also avoided anything that could be considered being anti-Jewish in anyway because I am most certainly not, but I am sensitive to the charge being made whenever Israel or Zionism is criticised.
 

Have you even read though the John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt Essay? Which is just one body of work from literally hundreds of researched, fact checked, commentaries on the subject.
 

It's this kind of linking of Zionism (a political movement) to Jews (a religion and people) that makes a debate impossible with knee-jerkers like yourself. Those that do it don't want a debate, or even a mention of the word Zionism. I just wonder why.
 

I'm sure I don't need to tell you that Mearsheimer and Walt are Jewish, but that's not the point - the point is that real crimes are being committed daily by those who hide behind a religion and people for their own geo-political ends.
 

Also calling me a racist is a joke, I am not offended because you have made yourself look more ridiculous with that statement than I ever could. Why didn't you quote some of that 'racism' in your post?
 

Grow up and read some more. You appear to be quite a self-assured and arrogant little chap for absolutely no obvious reason whatsoever.
 

With regard to my posting here, that is exactly what freedom of speech is about. Like I said before, no one said I couldn't.  I happen to believe that its important to have alternative view points in a free media (unlike you), and especially to the somewhat intellectually challenged arguments you have been peddling, and I use the word arguments loosely.

swing and kippers

can i ask u guys 1 serious Q for a second, why are you attacking anonymouse and not his message? if he makes incorrect or disagreeable points then say so and then put your points across. I just read the article linked above and you are doing exactly what it says in that article to anyone that mentions this stuff in the USA. are you guys jews by any chance? a fair question i think so please dont scream antisemtic racist nazi at me too, i just wanna honestly know.

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Funny thing is, I agree with most of what ANON said, the whole bit about AIPAC, the crazed degree of influence that Israeli policies have on America M.East `policies` etc. Where we differ is that I don't ascribe the totality of the world's woes to some flavour of Zionism. As far as I`m concerned, the Zionistas and the Neoconiki are just a couple of interlinked gangs of thugs, whereas there are plenty other gangs bestriding the world, corrupting and strong-arming for fun and profit.

And am I a cunt? Well, ya might think so since I was acting like one.

Y`know, as in `acting`.

Slainte.

Krippers2: the most influential entity to the US is in fact the Saudi Kingdom who has invested a conservative figure of about $700 billion in US/Europe.
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Ha ha ha..... don't make me laugh. If its down to money then the Chinese have far more influence, they currently hold US debt $1.2 trillion in treasury bonds and nearly another $1 trillion in dollar reserves. The Chines could sink the US economy tomorrow if it chose. The Saudi royal family only rules thanks to the support of the Yanks and Europe. The only influence they wield is that those countries want their petro-dollar investments (ie to buy more bombs, planes and missiles), witness the BAe corruption case being dropped. That's just government greed not power or influence.

Anon and by default Anonymoose:

Anon, your second post was far from infantile, in fact it was rather nice to see a coherent explanation, personal digs aside (although somewhat deserved when in context to my original post).

I see your points, and in honesty I acknowledge my lack of information in this area, the kneejerk reaction is wholly attributed to hearing repeated mindless open racism piggybacked on to the issues you articulated. If it is any consolation then your second post, given you accurately put forward a coherent set of information and maintained to some degree a sense of non-partisan dialogue does, at the very least, engage my attention with a view to possibly looking more into this. However, I am mindful that I'm sure that in looking I'm just going to come across baseless vile invective aimed at demonizing Jewish people in the name of a long dead psychopath. If you can point me to non-partisan sites that represent your position I may find time to look.

Certainly with regard to Israel I am convinced that the Government there are nothing more than a means to an end as viewed by US policy. In that it represents a firm foothold in a future battlefield.

I am in total agreement with your statement that there are a lot of people in power who are utilizing religion to perpetuate their own vile agendas.

With respect to: "Grow up and read some more. You appear to be quite a self-assured and arrogant little chap for absolutely no obvious reason whatsoever."

I am grown up, I already read a lot, I am self-assured and appear arrogant because I'm sick to death of infantile idiots posting and reposting unsubstantiated vague claims to many different points of view and I feel that it is so much static, distraction, obscurantist rhetoric that it hides the real crimes of Governments. It detracts from the real issues and serves to do exactly what you postulate with regard to religions role in world misery, the two are philosphically exactly the same, that is to say creating fear to push an agenda. I find that repugnant, I find I'll fight it.

That having been said, I clearly state that on reading your second post, I am of a mind that this does not seem to apply to you. Certainly I'll have a look at John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt Essay when I get the chance.

For my part though, the issues I feel are relevant, that in many cases are drowned out by people posting invective can be found at
www.liberty-human-rights.org.uk/
www.amnesty.org/
www.no2id.net/

John S
Actually bud you served my point better than I did and I thank you for it. Yes the Chinese have that huge investment, but in context the point was being made that I had been seeing again and again that US policy is somehow dictated to by Jewish people when the truth is that they have only one significant role, that is of a geographic foothold in a future battle space. In terms of policy you correctly identify China and I identified Saudi as more significant to US policy due to the level of investment in the country.

Where we differ is that I don't ascribe the totality of the world's woes to some flavour of Zionism.

I never said anything of the sort, I am specifically talking about US foreign policy, helped along with the support of the EU, in the Middle East. Stop trying to tell people what I think, I made it perfectly clear what I think - unlike you.

The other points I raised about Zionists dominating the media and financial systems in the West, i.e the US and EU, is a verifiable fact. Read the biographies of some of the media moguls and top bankers for starters, a large majority are self confessed Zionists - i.e they hold a political viewpoint that supports Israel's unfettered domination of the Middle East. Its a fact that the bankers do very well indeed from war. The media, which is often owned by large military interest such as GE, support said wars for the same reason.

I don't give a hoot if they are Jewish or not, the fact is they support an ideology that is repsonsible for a huge amount of suffering, injustice and inhumanity. Those policies also create instability for the entire world by facilitating a potential conflict between the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation and NATO over the Middle East and Central Asian energy reserves, and now it appears Africa. The 'humanitarian' crises in Sudan is a cover to deploy NATO troops into an oil-rich country currently supported by China. Since when have Western governments given a damn about dying Africans? No sir, its the oil and gas and global domination through their control that drives them.

The trouble here appears to be intellectual sloth, not willing to put in an effort to discover basic facts. If you rely on the TV, radio and newsprint for information then you will be getting a sanitized 'script' of events that has been spun to perpetuate a myth of cause and events in the world. When one scrapes away the propaganda and rhetoric and just deals with the known facts the world looks a very different place indeed.

Someone much smarter than me said 'the only novelty of the twentieth century is speed', imho this one isn't getting any slower. Am I alone in thinking that the american lobby system has indegestion? I would really like to hear from any septics out there.

Sofa boy
(now wearing asbestos underpants and a kevlar helmet)

Sorry about this question, but does anyone know how to reach Craig Murray?. We ("World without Wars") need him in Madrid for the next 2nd, 3rd and 4th of November  to participate in a Forum for Nuclear Disarmament.

Very grateful if you can help.

Montserrat Prieto (World without Wars (Spain))

montserrat.prieto@mundosinguerras.org

Well, it's been 5 days since I asked Anon for links to non-partisan sites that represented his/her position. I take the silence as an admission that whoever it is has none. Ahh well, I'll continue thinking they are idiots. No problem.