Another Howler from Kim Howells

NuLab have no principles other than making themselves rich. What the dickheads don't remember is that keeping the corrupt Saudi regime in power caused Al Quaeda in the first place. Giving state visits to the despots only fuels terrorism.

The UK Govt can be bought. Just have enough money and they will roll over for you.

I've noticed that the Zionists are getting out of their pram over the visit - jealousy on behalf of Israel in fact. When the Saudi regime is described as the UKs "most important ally in the Middle East" you just know a few Israel Supporters won't be able to keep their mouths shut.

Vince Cable (Jewish Zionist) Boycotts Saudi King:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7066754.stm

David Miliband (Jewish Zionist) snubs Saudi Foriegn minister and flies to US :
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article2763782.ece

The Miliband action is a disgrace. He is here to serve and represent the UK Government, His loyalties to Israel are greater than those to the UK (read his bio, particularly about his father - a founder of Neo-conism), but that can not excuse this immature behavior.

"caused Al Quaeda in the first place"

There is no such thing as an international terrorist organisation called Al Qaeda. It is an invention of Western secret service agencies. I suggest you watch 'The Power of Nightmares' for a start and then do some more research on the CIA/MI6/Mossad created 'terror' myth.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/video1037.htm

Al Qaeda = western propaganda.

This has got bugger all to do with Israel. In fact Israel has a better relationship with Saudi Arabia than it does with with many other of its neighbours (though it's far from perfect) which is why Saudi Arabia has hosted or facilitated recent peace summits. The two countries also share a strong dislike of Iran.

By suggesting that the only reasons Vince Cable and David Miliband won't meet up with the Saudi King is because they are Jewish Zionists seems like a load of anti-Semitic bollocks to me. Vince Cable made his reasons for not meeting the Saudis crystal clear and they are reasons I wholeheartedly agree with. I only wish Gordon Brown, David Cameron and the queen would follow suit. David Miliband's excuse is that he wanted to be present at the birth of his adopted son. It's a matter of pure speculation whether his absence was for personal reasons, political reasons, or both (I would want to be at the birth of my son rather that share a platform with a bunch of despots). I'm guessing there was a political aspect but as Foreign Minister he could hardly say the things said by Vince Cable.

It is possible for Jews to have honourable intentions you know.

Howells was talking nonsense, as might be expected. Being threatened by the same agency has nothing whatsoever to do with shared values. If a tidal wave engulfs a city, it may drown a saintly nun and an imprisoned serial killer. Does the common threat they face mean they share any values? Of course not. In WW2 the UK and USA made common cause with the USSR, because we all faced a common threat - Nazi Germany. That in no way signified that we shared any of the Soviet Union's values.

I don't know which is more sinister - the fact that a government minister talks such transparent rubbish, or the fact that he apparently thinks he will get away with it. It's pretty clear what he thinks of our intelligence, anyway.

"Anti-semite", yeah, yeah of course - that's it. Nothing to do with apartheid Israel and  the hundreds of obscene abuses it commits, and it's neo-con supporters stuffed throughout Western governments, no definately not, just pure race hate. That's it. Yawn... is that the only response you can offer, name calling?

"By suggesting that the only reasons", you can suggest that if you like, but I didn't - there's plenty of witterings from these two confirming there status as unconditional supporters of the criminal state Israel. You'll be telling me they're anti-zionists next. LOL

I see you happy to take a stand against Saudi human rights and corruption, what about the genocide of the Palestinians in Gaza? How about calling the government that does such things 'despots'. Those that support what has been done to the Palestinians in the name of Israeli 'security' should all be revealed for what they are - supporters of a criminal fascist regime that has complete disregard for over 200  UN resolutions, that has brought nuclear (plus chemical and biological)  weapons into the region and refuses to sign the NPT. In fact the very same reasons that Iraq was destroyed and they now use to attack Iran. Double standards perhaps? Hypocricy maybe?

That's not anti-semitsm, it recognising that a country is out of control and damaging the prospects of peace for a vast number of people because it has an expansionist agenda (Zionism). Where stealing Arab land is ok, where settlers murder Palestinians without fear of prosecution, where collective punishment is openly practiced on the civilian population, which wages war of aggression and attacks neighbouring countries at will, that leaves unwell Palestinians dying at checkpoints, that declares the elected government 'terrorists' and then supports 'terrorists' to oppose them, with an army that regularly shoots children in the head and claims they were 'launching rockets'.

Well, screw you and your anti-semitism name calling. Israel is the major cause of terror in the region, not some phantom 'Al Qaeda'. Have you heard of the USS LIberty? can you explain exactly what Israel was doing that day? What about the Palestinian plane hijacking in the 70's? That was Israel again blaming the Palestinians. Theres a lot more of that too if you bother to look.

From the UK's Foreign Secretary's (David Miliband) dad;
"The Englishman is a rabid nationalist. They are perhaps the most nationalist people in the world ... When you hear the English talk of this war you sometimes almost want them to lose it." Adolphe Miliband, 1940. (The year he arrived from Belgium fleeing Hitler)

Anonymous, the most cursory search through this blog or my own personal blog will reveal that I'm no fan of the Israeli regime or Zionism which I regard as a racist ideology. However, anti-Semitism is just as racist and we have a policy of deleting anti-Semitic remarks. Your comments are, IMO, thinly disguised anti-Semitism.

I am well aware of the plight of the Palestinians and I've commented on it on numerous occasions but my argument is with the Israeli regime not Jews and the language I use reflects that. I don't see a vast Zionist conspiracy everwhere I look and I don't need you to lecture me on Middle East history or the present situation. For your information, this post is about Saudi Arabia and the state visit. Any more off-topic anti-Semitic guff will be deleted, okay?

The Politics of hyprocrisy

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/foreignaffairs/comment/0,,2200312,00.html

While not entering the whole Israel/Palestine debate, I do think it was a particularly naff decision to appoint David Miliband as FS. At such a sensitive time, with the Middle East absolutely central to our concerns, and the whole place - and thus world - on a knife edge - since we would never in a million years appoint a Muslim foreign secretary because of political sensitivities, why on earth do we appoint a jewish one? It is so crassly insensitive.

We already have an appalling image in the region. But we appoint a man with strong neo-con connections, who is such an Americo-phile he even has his babies bred over there. He's already come out in support of bombing Iran, and now he snubs our main Muslim ally. Its all very well to come over all touchy-feely Nu Labor and say he should be at the birth, but he's our fucking foreign secretary, and at a most crucial and dangerous time for the world he has a job to do. If the human race survives this nightmare that's already boiling over, do you think his son is going to be more grateful to him for attending his birth or playing a key part in world diplomacy.

Uh - Turkey's invading Kurdistan! Oh, little diddums. Israel's bombing Syria! Hasn't he got beautiful hands. al Qaeda's blown up Musharraf AND Bhutto! He looks just like his gran. America's bombing Iran and Iran's bombing Saudi Arabia! I feel so much in touch with my inner self I'll go out and telegram George Bush with congratulations.

Vince Cable I have absolutely no problems with. He's not in office and is perfectly free to do whatever his conscience prompts him to do. I'd probably do the same myself. But I'd do it also for the next psychopath Israeli that swaggers into town.

The last UK MIddle East Envoy, Lord Levy, was a Jewish Zionist.

The current G8 MIddle East Peace Envoy is a Zionist.

Now is one of those remarks anti-semitic and the other not?

I can not see how stating a fact that someone is a 'Jewish Zionist' amounts to anti-semitism. Accusing someone of racism is something that should not be done lightly. Unfortunately "anti-semitism" has been banded about so often it has lost all meaning except as a cut-off to rational debate by raising the emotional temperature and putting the critic on the defensive.

Please stop using "anti-semitism" unless someone says something that is racist and not because you don't agree with them.

In fact Israel has a better relationship with Saudi Arabia than it does with with many other of its neighbours

Maybe that's because Israel hasn't bombed them. Also didn't Israel have a special relationship with Apartheid South Africa where it sold them millions of dollars worth of arms, just like it sells arms to Burma. What is it with Israel and countries that suppress large parts of its population?

As far as I understood it, the Intelligence Services did not deny getting intelligence, but said it wasn't enough to prevent 7/7. You imply they said they didn't receive any and that they and the Government are lying. You also imply it could have stopped 7/7. Where are you getting your information from? How do you know it could have stopped 7/7? And how would King Abdullah know the British Intelligence took no action? Is he a high ranking official in the said services? Arn't you are cherry picking what he says simply to suit your rush to try and show it contradicts a Governmental contradiction?

Israel also had a good arms trading relationship with Argentina, under a fascist Junta as near to Nazism as makes not a lot of difference, really.  When dealing with Israeli policy and vice-versa we've long got beyond (or should have, anyway) the stage of Jewish/not-Jewish, and should be focusing on basic foreign policy realities, like understanding their international relationships, internal politics and strategic ambitions.  They're very chummy with Turkey, much more so than Saudi, where they've had their differences (usually settled by the IDF appearing suddenly over some strategic Saudi installation to reinforce the message that they've got better armed forces).  Israel also, of course, supplied arms to revolutionary Iran in about 1980 - they had a transport plane brought down over the USSR while doing it.
Anyway, Dick Cheney isn't Jewish, is he?  Doesn't stop him being a warmongering total bastard.  If he were replaced tomorrow by (Jewish) Stephen Fry, I suspect most of us would ticket that as an improvement.

7/7 and Saudi - I'm impressed if the Saudi security services had men on the ground in West Yorkshire.  If not, bollocks to His Majesty - get your own house in order, sunshine.

"Israeli Arab lawmakers responded angrily Wednesday to proposed legislation that would prevent anyone who travels to a country classified as an enemy state from serving as a Knesset member"...

http://tinyurl.com/2e9n4l 

“A passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite nation facilitates the illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists, infuses into one the enmities of the other, and betrays the former into participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter without adequate inducement or justification.”
(George Washington, Farewell Address, 1796) [article]

Sort of off topic but worth a mention "The US is secretly upgrading special stealth bomber hangars on the British island protectorate of Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean in preparation for strikes on Iran's nuclear facilities, according to military sources." So this is how we will be involved :(

Right I'm off to make a cup of tea as I feel its the right thing to do, and apologies for my spelling.

Davide Simonetti - why should you exercise censorship here simply based on whether YOU judge something to be anti-semitic?

And by the way, I believe - as you probably do - in marchandise being properly labelled so that the consumer knows what he's buying. So, just to be able to evaluate how much credence we should lend your posts on matters pertaining to Israel and anti-semitism, could you perhaps tell us if you are Jewish yourself?

Guano,
I wouldn't call myself Jewish, however I am partly (my great grandfather was).  Oh, and my step mum is too. My mother is Cof E and the rest of my family are Roman Catholic. I'm agnostic myself although I was baptised as a Catholic. Does that help?

As for exercising censorship on Blairwatch, all of us who write regularly here can do that when we feel it's necessary.

More revealing hypocrisy. Sort of reminds me of The Frost Report On Class. Probed again but at least they bought dinner first.

Yes, Davide, it does help actually. It may be a rough and ready rule, and you may consider my approach simplistic, but I have made a point of never reading anything (eg, letters to newspapers, magazine articles) on the Middle East written by someone with either a Jewish or Arabic sounding name. OK, I may be missing the occasional gem, but you know as well as I do that 9 times out of 10 the line the writer takes can be deduced in advance from his name.

As for censorship, well, I suppose that the people who run this site can censor away as much as they want, but are they then any better than the biased newspaper editors etc whom you regularly slag off?

Censorship, what a detestable word. The silencing of free speech and expression. Based on what exactly? A conditioned knee-jerk reaction usually found hand in hand with ignorance, prejudice, deception or intolerance, and these days quite often whenever Israel or its Zionist supporters get fingered.

The state of Israel, which has been run by right wing Zionists since its foundation in 1947, has deliberately sought to make Zionism equate to Judaism, to the extent that to criticise Israel is perceived as to criticise Jews and thereby opening up the critics to accusation of anti-semitic abuse.

Despite a large moslem population the government wants political Zionism to be associated with religious Judaism. That is why Israel calls itself 'The Jewsish State', completely disenfranchising a large section of the population and binding the state to the religion.

Jewish Israelis are conditioned from a very early age with a distorted view of their country (not unique I know) that allows emotions to dominate politics, thereby suppressing rational debate from the political life. The government runs things by pressing these emotional buttons. 'Never Again', an 'Existential Threat', a 'New Hitler', another 'Genocide'. These are phrases that appear time after time from the lips of Israeli politicians while whipping up anxiety against Iran's Amadinahjad or any other country it wants to bomb.

While I'm on Iran I still hear people using the widely discredited translation of the "wipe them of the map" phrase from Amadinahjad, even last week on Question Time some politician stated it as a fact. It is a simple, provable, lie that has been repeated so often it is now accepted without question.

In short whenever religion creeps into politics it is a mess, whether Islamic fundamentalism, Christian fundamentalism or Zionism. Criticising supporters of such regimes should not be censored, especially when the rule is for one and not the other, and especially when the largest criminal amongst them is (rightly) the chief target of such criticism

With regard to the Jewish supporters of Zionism, they are no different from the neo-con ZIonists or any other group of right-wing fascists. There are of course millions of Jews spread around the world and many of them do not support Israel because it is a racist unjust regime. For example there are 10,000 Jews happily living in Iran that have repeatedly refused Israeli government financial incentives to relocate to Israel.

So do not engage in censoring free speech out of ignorance, prejudice, deception or intolerance because anything and everything can then be censured, and it usually is eventually.

Also it would be better if people like David Simonetti got off of the authoritarian power trip of threating censorship (ooh, isn't he important, he can delete posts and decide what is right and wrong). Just why exactly are David's words and views more important or correct than anyone else's? I have yet to read anything of note from him.

Davide Simonetti's site carries an anti-Usmanov banner that says 'The Silencer of The Blogs - Freedom of speech is not a luxury but a basic minimum standard for any healthy liberal democracy". And the link takes you to a site that opposes censorship. Brilliant!

The Mega-Bunker of Baghdad
The new American Embassy in Baghdad will be the largest, least welcoming, and most lavish embassy in the world: a $600 million massively fortified compound with 619 blast-resistant apartments and a food court fit for a shopping mall. Unfortunately, like other similarly constructed U.S. Embassies, it may already be obsolete.
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I dispute >The UK Govt can be bought< Surely that is "The UK government MUST be bought"?
All crooks, up against the wall with them..............

Richard Dearlove, former MI6 head who wrote the 'Downing Street Memo', was involved in the dodgey dossier and subsequently promoted, who attended Bilderberg meeting this year gets roasted by LSE students. Not reported on the BBC for obvious reasons but you can see it on YouTube.

James Watson bad, Mighty Mouse good. Why? This PC stuff is killing me. Bored now, more tea.

Facing defeat in Afghanistan [here] doh!

"The Mega-Bunker of Baghdad"

"The Colossus of Baghdad: Wonders of the Imperial World"...

http://tinyurl.com/3bhfcw

The Jerusalem Post reports that it was USAF that bombed Syria in September and the IAF planes were only diversionary. More worrying is the claim that a tactical nuclear weapon destroyed the building, which would explain the massive clear-up operation afterwards. If true than this is really scary, if not then it must be pre-war propaganda aimed at Iran, which is also really scary. Jersalem Post Story

"I don't see a vast Zionist conspiracy everwhere I look", oops.

And the French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner