Hillary'n'Ayman - Your Conspiracy Theories Tonight
Posted April 22nd, 2008 by Tom
While wheels turn for Mr. Kollerstrom's pet fairyland, back in the real world the real villains are awfully upset:
Al-Qaeda's deputy leader, Ayman al-Zawahiri, has blamed Iran for spreading the theory that Israel was behind the 11 September 2001 attacks. In an audio tape posted on the internet, Zawahiri insisted al-Qaeda had carried out the attacks on the US. He accused Iran, and its Hezbollah allies, of trying to discredit Osama Bin Laden's network.
A few things stick out here:
- There's still no great Islamofascist conspiracy linking all the Muslims we currently have a few differences with. Particularly, al Qaeda and associates are quite willing to see large chunks of the Muslim community as targets, even including those like Hizbollah who are popular throughout the Middle East for giving Israel one in the eye in 2006. This doesn't do an awful lot for John McCain's theory that if we pull out of Iraq it will magically become run by al Qaeda, only with oil.
- Conspiracy theories aren't just a western thing. They're a berk thing (h/t Chris Morris). The Middle East is particularly fertile ground, probably due to things like lack of freedom of expression and information in the various dictatorships
we prop upwe're urging to democratise. - One should never forget that Iran helped us invade Afghanistan, for its own reasons, and has been doing a bit of reconstruction on the side. This doesn't get you in al Qaeda's good books.
- Hillary Clinton is rather more violent in her language than al Qaeda's second in command. This isn't a good thing.
Speaking of
Speaking of Kollerstrom...
UCL has been made aware of views expressed by Dr Nicholas Kollerstrom, an Honorary Research Fellow in UCL Science & Technology Studies. The position of Honorary Research Fellow is a privilege bestowed by departments within UCL on researchers with whom it wishes to have an association. It is not an employed position. The views expressed by Dr Kollerstrom are diametrically opposed to the aims, objectives and ethos of UCL, such that we wish to have absolutely no association with them or with their originator. We therefore have no choice but to terminate Dr Kollerstrom’s Honorary Research Fellowship with immediate effect.
Congratulations, the land is
Congratulations, the land is safe from bad dissent once again
I see that conspiraloon
Seriously people, if there
Seriously people, if there are still any more hold outs among you in respect to who really pulled off 9-11, this ought to convince you that the blogs have been right from the beginning and your kind, benevolent and altruistic Zio-Amerikan government has been deceiving you all along. Doesn’t it seem just a little too convenient that Al Qaeda’s number two, Ayman al-Zawahri is now saying in the aftermath of Iranian President Ahmadinejad’s speech last week in which the Iranian leader “voiced doubts about the accepted version of the September 11, 2001 attacks on New York and Washington” that Ahmadinejad is lying about doubting the Zio-American entities kosher version of what happened that day, he really believes it, he’s just being naughty and trying to cause trouble. LOL, please!
Picking sides between two
Picking sides between two nutjobs inevitably puts you on the same side as a nutjob, so what's your point? Al Qaeda have an image problem - their lack of central control means any psychotic loony can set up a local franchise and start blowing up the populace, which are usually exactly the people AQ's propaganda guys are trying to reach. Since being blown up is not an act which makes the victims look upon AQ with great love and respect, they have a problem here. Increasing central control merely makes them easier to find, as you have to use frequent communications subject to tapping and interception, so they've hit upon these question-and-answer sessions.
In the case of Iran, AQ's local affiliate in Iraq, which was always beyond the pale as far as AQ were concerned has ended up driving a lot of Sunnis into working with the Americans and the strongly pro-Iran Iraqi government. At the same time, Hizbollah's heroic victory in 2006 (as it is seen) also bolstered Iran's position and image. Given the combination of military failure, falling popularity and a rising rival, the last thing AQ want is for people to think that their greatest victory an what was meant as a kicking off point for jihad wasn't them at all, but the Israelis seeking an excuse for starting a crusade. This is all the more galling since Iran and Hizbollah have done Israel a great deal of damage while AQ was busy killing Muslims around the world.
Al Quaeda is a brand name
Al Quaeda is a brand name dumb fuck made up by the Pentagon to label anyone that fights against them in a violent manner.Al Quaeda is a synonym in Iraq for popular resistance.AlCiadea is just a generic label for anyone fighting against US hegemony.Get it??nah didn´t think so.
Does anyone here believe
Does anyone here believe that our government did not in fact lie to us so that they may wage aggressive war? The vast majority of the population believed the government when they laid out their fallacious portfolio, I wonder how many still do? The simple truth is that our government lied endlessly to us about an issue that could not be more important. At the risk of being repetitious, our goverenment conspired against us and is continuing to do so, so colour me a conspirasist. However I think Blairwatch are being disingenuous toward those of us who whilst applying nuclear strength scepticism, entertain ideas not broadcast on the BBC. I'm sure Blairwatch understand this position after all it is the raison d'etre of this very site. What I'm wondering is which particular line is considered beyond the pale, what mustn't we think lest we merit your ire?
<i>Bin Laden was, though, a
<i>Bin Laden was, though, a product of a monumental miscalculation by western security agencies. Throughout the 80s he was armed by the CIA and funded by the Saudis to wage jihad against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan. Al-Qaida, literally "the database", was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians. Inexplicably, and with disastrous consequences, it never appears to have occurred to Washington that once Russia was out of the way, Bin Laden's organisation would turn its attention to the west.</i>
Boring I know, but I beleive Robin Cook's last printed words, even though I don't agree with his conclusion
I'm still waiting.
I'm still waiting.
So what is it Tom? Are you
So what is it Tom? Are you ok with people questioning the holocaust? should Germar Rudolf, Ernst Zundel and Sylvia Stolz have been thrown in prison? Why is this issue not openly debated? If there were no scientific or logistical impediments to the official story then surely all the "loons" would have given up by now.
I seem to remember you are a Jew. How do you feel about the brave Jew, David Cole? What do you think of the JDL thugs who threatened him for investigating the holocaust?
On 911, how about Eric Hufschmid? ( a goy as far as I know) Have you seen the series of videos "Painful Deceptions"? If you have not then watch them. If you have then please post your (scientific and rational) rebuttals with no ad hominems or weak ridiculing remarks.
Ta.
The Blairwatch position is
The Blairwatch position is clear. W believe that the historical record of the holocaust is overwhelming. There is no debate. It happened. For those listed above, they are anti-semitic, pro Nazi liars whose theories have been completely debunked.
The fact that you 'truthseekers' use confirmation bias as your main criteria, and form what is basically a circle jerk means that you've no interest in the truth, you just want to believe what you already believe, that the Jews control the world.
Why do people continue, you ask? It's because they are led by hatred not scientific enquiry. Because they're obsessives, frequently with psychological flaws, to say the least. That's why they continue, that's why nothing on earth will change their minds; they don't want to change their minds.
The truth is that the 7/7 and 9/11 conspiraloon circles are also places where holocaust denial and antisemitism and racism are perfectly acceptable. They're not here, so please feel free to bugger off.
Unbelievable! The site
Unbelievable!
The site "dedicated to the demise of the Nu Lab project" I seem to remember reading somewhere. If you are or were really dedicated to the demise of Nu Lab, that implies that you didn't believe all the Nu Lab shite such as:
ID cards are necessary for our safety
PPP finances are good for the nation
Iraq has WMD's etc, etc (and now every informed person accepts that both the British and US governments lied to the UN, their respective electorates and their allies)
However, these were the generally accepted truths of their times (not by me you understand). And you set yourselves up to work against what many believed at that time, to be indisputable truths. If no one had questioned the official versions, we would still be walking around with our heads up our arses and gobbling up the official bullshit.
So if it's OK for you to argue against the accepted truths, why should it be any different for those that don't accept the official version of 9/11 and/or 7/7? If you say the holocaust has no bearing on Labour policy and therefore ban any discussion on it, fine by me, but surely 9/11 and 7/7 are as fundamental to many current Labour policies and spending plans as is Northern Rock?
Through my father I have met
Through my father I have met some extra ordinary people, most ex-service men like himself who were members of the same charitable organisations. I met most of them when I was in my teenage years, one was the tiniest most dapper man I have ever met, old but still with a shock of jet black hair; he had the biggest twinkle in his eyes and carried a silver capped cane. My dad told me he was a UXB man, it wasn't until the TV series came around that I understood what this entailed. But the most unassuming kind lovely old gentleman I have ever met had gone out as part of the BEF and had gone through until the end. None of them ever spoke about what they had done in company, only amongst themselves and then only rarely. This last gentleman was part of a british force that discovered a KZ camp, he obviously confided in my father because he confided in me but only after the gentleman had passed away. Apparently the only difference between what is commonly portrayed on TV and what actually happened is that our boys continued into the surrounding towns, found the gauleiters and various other local dignitaries and shot them on the spot, they were that pissed off.
All of these men have now gone including my father, but I have not forgotten them.
I have to take issue with your aggressively anti conspiratorial tone. From the dictionary, "conspiracy 1. An agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act". It is my opinion that in order to understand even a little of what actually happens in this world you must accept that organisations including governments conspire, sometimes even against us. I concede 'that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing' and that this can ultimately express itself as unpalatable conspiraloonery of the first order. But in order to learn you must be prepared to accept that organisations are unwilling, on the whole, to confess to their wrong doings. Take the CIA for example, or more specifically the School of the Americas (now WHINSEC), trust me (or not) when I say they don't teach taxidermy nor are they particularly keen to divulge what they have done in the past. In fact (imho) their sole function has been to perform illegal, wrongful and subversive acts on behalf of the US government for a generation. There is nothing new in this, in fact this is as old as time.
"The truth is that the 7/7 and 9/11 conspiraloon circles are also places where holocaust denial and antisemitism and racism are perfectly acceptable." So what? It is as if you are saying they are inextricably linked! By inference if one were to become unnerved by some of the events surrounding 9/11 and wanted to ask more questions you automatically become tainted by holocaust denial, antisemitism and racism! Bonkers.
I for one think the current US government capable of pretty much anything and again IMHO a lot of what happened on 9/11 stinks, so I have decided to keep an open mind on this subject. I am however none of the other sickening things you describe. The bottom line is the best way to kill off any conspiracy and indeed all of the other horrors you include in your list is truth, and lots of it. Telling people to "bugger off" doesn't help, hopefully this little missive will. And if anyone here is a holocaust denier I hope I can offer you assurances that it did in fact transpire as is generally accepted. As for the rest, seek help.
p.s. Hi Red